I just rediscovered this song after the shootings and I have a whole new appreciation for Lennon. His contribution to Humanism is truly a beautiful thing.
Coded Logic
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35 Years Ago Today - John Lennon - Peace Advocate was Murdered
by flipper inin this age of violence with the san bernardino and france massacres sometimes it's good to reflect on the wise words of the peace advocates among us who proposed a better solution in bringing a more civil society to our universe.
john lennon, martin luther king jr. - people who stood up for equal rights and world peace and denounced violence and war - no matter how that violence occurs.
please feel free to comment on stories of john lennon on this thread and feel free to post any you tubes of his music that you may have enjoyed through the years.
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Old, Faithful and Forgotten...
by rrb2016 inhad a conversation with my jw mother the other day.
she has been baptized for over 50 years.
i've been out for 30 years, but because both my mother and mother-in-law are jw's i keep up with all things jw.
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Coded Logic
Wow, I can't even imagine how hard it must be for old timers who have been in the religion for 50+ years.
I feel there comes a certain age where deconversion is no longer a real option. You just have to much invested to ever think of turning around. Maybe it's bigoted or ageist of me to say - but I do genuinely feels sorry for these people because the society wont even let them die in peace. Instead they'll feel ever more isolated, confused, and conflicted inside.
I really do hate the things religion does to people!
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They're selling some assembly halls
by LaFrancia init has confirmed the news!
in italy selling assembly halls.. the managers are deciding which assembly halls keep continuing to use them for the assemblies, and assembly halls which sell the best buyer.
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Coded Logic
It seems to be a very temporary solution to a long time property. They can cash in their assets all day long. Until they increase revenue or stop expenditures they're going to continue to have a cash flow problem.
Cannibalising their assets wont save them. But it may well make things far worse.
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flying spaghetti monster
by SloppyMcFloppy inoh no just realized i might get d'f for joing another church:/
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What Could Hacker Do To The JW.Org Site?
by frankiespeakin ini really don't know anything about what hackers do.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/hacker_(computer_security).
in the computer security context, a hacker is someone who seeks and exploits weaknesses in a computer system or computer network.
hackers may be motivated by a multitude of reasons, such as profit, protest, challenge or enjoyment.
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What is DNS attack? - Definition from WhatIs.com
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ARC: WT cf VAG
by Joe Grundy in(i never was a jw).. as a retired child abuse professional, i followed (and continue to do so - it's an ongoing process) the arc proceedngs closely.
my understanding is that the purpose of the arc is to establish what current practices exist in various organisations and institutions, how those practices compare with accepted best practice, and what organisations and institutions need to do to bring their procedures and policies into line with best practice.
(and to find a way to compensate victims for what's been done wrong).. wt is case study #29 in the arc process.
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Coded Logic
I thought after Jackson's testimony the WT would make some real changes. However, after reading the WT response to the ARC it seems sadly like they are still not willing to admit to any wrongdoing. I'm not sure what it is going to take for them to finally fess up. -
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State lawsuit against Jehovah's Witnesses
by Coded Logic inthe first of many lawsuits?.
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november 09, 2015. wilmington, delaware the attorney general's office is suing elders of the sussex county congregation for not reporting an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were congregation members.. state law requires any person, agency, organization or entity who knows or in good faith suspects that a child is being abused or neglected to call a 24-hour hotline.
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Coded Logic
Excellent points Listener and TS!
And I'd also add that once a confession enters into the Judicial Committee phase all clergy-penitent privileges are out the window too.
There's a huge difference between a priest saying, "Here's what you should do to seek favor with God." vs. the Elders saying "Here's the restrictions we're IMPOSING on you to ensure the safety of the congregation."
Priests don't judge their members. And they don't hand down sentences that they then enforce. However, Elders do.
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State lawsuit against Jehovah's Witnesses
by Coded Logic inthe first of many lawsuits?.
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november 09, 2015. wilmington, delaware the attorney general's office is suing elders of the sussex county congregation for not reporting an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were congregation members.. state law requires any person, agency, organization or entity who knows or in good faith suspects that a child is being abused or neglected to call a 24-hour hotline.
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The first of many lawsuits?
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November 09, 2015
WILMINGTON, Delaware — The attorney general's office is suing elders of the Sussex County congregation for not reporting an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were congregation members.
State law requires any person, agency, organization or entity who knows or in good faith suspects that a child is being abused or neglected to call a 24-hour hotline. The law specifically states that the reporting requirements apply to health care workers and organizations, school employees, social workers, psychologists and law enforcement officials.
But the law also contains exemptions for attorney-client conversations and communications "between priest and penitent in a sacramental confession."
Francis McNamara, an attorney for the Jehovah's Witnesses congregation, argued Monday that they are covered by the clergy exemption, and that the judge should end the lawsuit before it goes to trial by ruling in their favor.
"The effectiveness of this statute cannot be limited to Catholic priests," he told Superior Court Judge Mary Johnston.
McNamara said he wasn't challenging the constitutionality of the law, but that in order to maintain its constitutionality, it must be read to protect any confidential conversation between a church member and a cleric acting in a ministerial role — not just the confessional booth in a Catholic Church.
"Which religion do we pick as having the proper confession?" McNamara asked.
Johnston wrestled with why a non-Catholic who confesses confidentially to a spiritual adviser that he or she did something wrong would not be covered by the law simply because that particular religion does not define congregational leaders as "priests" or include "confession" among its sacraments.
"How can that be constitutional?" asked the judge, who described the statute as "problematic" and suggested that it was "sloppily written."
"What does "sacramental" mean for purposes of the state?" Johnston asked deputy attorney general Janice Tigani.
Tigani conceded that the law could be unconstitutional if read as favoring a certain religion, but that Delaware lawmakers could have chosen other language had they wanted. She also said she was unaware of any similar law in any other state with the same wording.
Tigani, nevertheless, argued that there was no "confession" by the boy, who was taken to congregation elders by his mother after revealing the sexual relationship.
"They weren't confessing anything, at least within the eyes of the law ... because this was a victim," she said.
The conversations between congregation elders and the woman also are not covered by the confessional exemption, Tigani added, because the woman did not voluntarily seek out spiritual guidance but was instead approached by elders after they met with the boy and his mother.
But the judge noted that the woman, Katheryn Harris Carmean White, could have confessed while being interviewed by the elders, and that both she and the boy were excommunicated, suggesting that the boy may have been subjected to church punishment for "confessing" his own wrongdoing.
Department of Justice authorities say the boy reported to his mother in January 2013 that he and Carmean White, who worked as a teacher's aide at Seaford Middle School, had engaged in a sexual relationship. According to the complaint, the boy and his mother met that same day with two congregation elders.
Carmean White was arrested in February 2013 after the boy's mother went to authorities. She was sentenced to six years in prison after being convicted of third-degree rape, fourth-degree rape and child endangerment.
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WTBTS Submissions to Royal Commission on abuse: The response document in FULL
by JWchange init is not obvious if someone has already put the responses and excuses to the findings of the royal commission, by watchtower on this forum somewhere, sorry if it is already posted.
click on the link below, and scroll down to 'submissions' near bottom of page and you can download the full document.
if this link doesn't work.
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Coded Logic
OMG, does the WT think this is a joke? Do they think playing a pedantic game of tit for tat is going to get them anywhere with this commission? The hammer is about to come down on them. And their failure to address the issues of the ARC are going to leave them wide open to class action lawsuits and the media pointing out that they deliberately refused to protect children from child abusers.
I am so ashamed of them. Their pride and self righteousness has clouded their judgment and left them morally bankrupt.
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Obama to speak from the Oval Office tonight (8:00 eastern)
by Coded Logic inthis will be only the 3rd time he's spoken from the oval office in his seven years so it's probably going to be something pretty big.
combat troops being sent into syria?
unilateral movement on gun control?.
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My prediction for tonight:
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